(Since 2007) And 600 rounds neat engine block gun not a long distance hitter. Since I can shoot +P .45-70 Grizzly and Buffalo Bore, and have more case capacity than the .50 Beowulf, the .45-70 is better in many respects as a big game gun. What testing has found is that 5.56mm at 500 yards had a high-velocity thanks to the lower weight of the 5.56mm NATO bullet. I don't see why you couldn't use it to hunt deer either. So my professional conclusions are A: Im possibly insane and B: this thing sounds like a whole lot of fun. Ive also spoken with him on the phone when I was having some trouble with my Grendel, hes a great person to deal with. Easy to reload(no shoulder to reshape) Slugs and powder are easy to find(thank you 500 s&w). CR42 Hunting 7.5K subscribers Subscribe 1.1K Share 50K views 1 year ago 308 vs 50 Beowulf - penetration test. Felt recoil will differ from shooter to shooter and is dependent on shooting position, stance, and the firearm being used. I like the 50 Beowulf because I can shoot that almost anywhere. Regardless of which cartridge you choose, make sure you get all your ammunition here at Ammo.com and get out to the range so you are always ready to defend freedom should the need arise. As for knock-down power, 50 caliber bullets are second to none. I also hear tell that its a fine platform for traditional rounds such as the .243 Winchester, .260 Remington, .338 Federal, 7mm-08 Remington, the little .22 LR, handgun calibers such as the 9mm and 45 ACP, and, for all I know, would make a great base for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 megawatt range. Bear hunting or protection? Enjoy. The 50 Beowulf has about 25% more free recoil than the 450 Bushmaster, but the Beowulf also has higher sectional density. As for factory ammunition, you can find a few different options like these.InceptorAmmunition offers a load using its ARX projectile. Maybe half a box ought to re-balance the old Yin and Yang, Im thinking. I would also guess that .45-70 Government factory ammunition is less expensive than .50 Beowulf as well. Developed by Alexander Arms, this cartridge is a tapered, straight-wall case topped with, you guessed it, a .50-caliber projectile. Thanks Phil in the great north west. All Rights Reserved. Although developed under different circumstances, both the Beowulf and the SOCOM share the same parent case. Like a good facelift, theres a visible but not a dramatic difference. If you want to have multiple rounds ready to go, they have to be roughly the same length as the 5.56 to fit through the hole in the bottom. You would think a pistol caliber build, which uses smaller rounds overall, would require a lighter buffer weight. Our buddy Dave describes the .50 slug, especially the HP, as a flying ashtray. Itll fragment against hard surfaces like steel, but for organic targets, its drill-bit-like shape is designed to transfer energy to the target using fancy fluid dynamics. Each of these rounds are limited in their design capabilities due to the restrictions of the AR-15 platform. Its been exploited by creative designers to chamber more and more specialty cartridges such as the 6.5 Grendel (co-created by the aforementioned Bill Alexander), 300 AAC Blackout, 6.5 Creedmoor, 224 Valkyrie, and 6.8 Remington SPC. A metal grip frame, slide ports and a red dot cut are just some of the new features. The rush of hot gases is powerful enough to blow your hair back as effectively, but perhaps not as pleasantly, as a Trojan brand personal joy buzzer. The 450 Bushmaster dominates in terms of muzzle velocity as it leaves the barrel at a whopping 2,200 fps, which is 300 fps faster than the 458 SOCOM and 425 fps faster than the 50 Beowulf. While the projectile weights are in the same ballpark, the .50 Beowulf is going to deliver longer range and better accuracy. When I take government sponsor trips to interesting places, I carry an AR. No specific shipment information is available yet. Seems like the perfect Great White solution to me, but then again, Im not a Hollywood gun expert.On the defensive and tactical side, those big bullets carry a lot of momentum, so theyre good for applications where penetration is required. Dave brought his .50 Beowulf upper receiver, Stag Arms lower receiver assembly, and a lady friend, while Greg and I brought a complement of lowers ranging from basic to upscale. The 450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf are three big bore cartridges that add a lot of stopping power to the AR-15 rifle. To avoid any potential trademark litigation, ammo manufacturers will often brand their 50 Beowulf ammo by its metric designation, 12.7x42mm. As the .300 Blackout was designed to work within the parameters of the existing AR platform, only the barrel needs to be replaced . Their more conventional offerings include FMJ, 100-percent brass, jacketed hollow-point, and soft-point bullets ranging from 335 to 400-grains.One thing we havent yet mentioned is the cost, and Im not talking about money. The Overmatch Plus starts at $968, and the cheapest upper is the Entry at $759.00. The 450 Bushmaster (or 450 BM) was developed by Tim LeGendre of LeMAG Firearm. Its a perfect illustration of why mag limits are stupid and any politician who votes in favor of them should be recalled. It is most a Gee Wiz cool kid toy. We shot hollow points, but you can have your .50s with brass or lead solids or FMJ if you prefer. The 223s flat trajectory and low recoil is great for varmint hunting, plinking, and target shooting; however, it lacks the kinetic energy needed for taking down larger animals like whitetail and hogs. The 50 Beowulf was the first of the three thumper rounds to hit the market in early 2001 although the 458 SOCOM was released shortly after in the same year while the 450 Bushmaster was released in 2007. A 300 grain .45 Gov't bullet clocks in at about 1800 fps at the muzzle and 1500 fps at 100 yards, with energy of about 2200 and 1500 ft.-lb. I would rather shoot the lever gun and feel more connected to the experience. I have a question about your writing availability. I donno, it sounds like perfect hog medicine to me. However, comparing the entry wounds on paper from the .50 and the 5.56 made a very cogent point. All of the major bullet manufacturers like Barnes, Hornady, Nosler, Sierra, and Federal have multiple bullet options available for all three calibers. Originally Posted By boltedsafe: $150.00 3" chambered 12 gauge pump with Brenneke Black Magic Magnum (12 GA 3") Slugs. The T shirt didnt arrive. A 30 round 5.56 magazine might be a ticket to prison in AWB states even though it only holds 10 rounds of .50 Beowulf. Example my 338lapua,I have never shot it,never had enough real-estate but hey I got one lol the same with the Beowulf, Some things are just for shits and giggles, I love my Beowulf many years shooted shotguns muzzleloaders couldnt get that long-range to kill the nice big bucks dont have to worry about that with the Beowulf knock down power is phenomenal one shot one kill. Of course 300 grain .45 caliber bullets are a darn close second. I actually had to stop because I was knocking the big steel plates over at 100 yards and I didnt want to get in trouble lol. The most common loadings have 300- to 500-grain projectiles, and they move fast enough to deliver some serious thump. | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Should You Carry Your Gun With an Empty Chamber? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/knitepoet/Hunting/bullet2.jpg. 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf exist. On the other hand, only custom ammo manufacturers like Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore, and Black Butterfly make 458 SOCOM and 50 Beowulf rounds. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/12/16/wtf-firearm-cannon/, Look up .950 JDJ. That's a tough choice. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 50 Beowulf or 300 Blackout, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKjbySsAik. In contrast, a 10 round Beowulf magazine, which is identical in all respects to a 30-round 5.56 mag except for the feed lips, may be legal. If I lived in a rifle deer zone Id own one because: 1. If you have a 308, I don't think you'd get much out of a 300 blackout. I don't own, but I have shot a 300 blackout. You might recognize that name from another cartridge developed by Alexander Arms.So given the attributes were going to discuss, the Beowulf name seems entirely appropriate. I would start with a 300 blackout first as I think it is more versatile than the Beowulf. The Beowulf never crossed that line. Sure, the upper kit makes it muzzle heavy, but that doesnt make it too clumsy to handle. Even energy at that distance is impressive. That said, I had to have a big bore too. nicole.bowen at ccaofnc dot org. I have a few blackouts , a 458 socom and a 50 beowulf . The perfect niche for such a weapon that otherwise seems unnecessary, but fills a specific role most dont consider better than most other rifles can. Will you suppress it? 3600gr bullet, 38,000ft lb. Hogs? It should be noted that it is not advised to use 45 ACP handgun bullets for reloading the 450 Bushmaster. Furthermore, the 50 Beowulf name is trademarked by Alexander Arms. Moose? thanks. I havent had a chance to shoot at 200 yards yet but it performed great at 100 and 150. However, some Midwest states that previously only allowed muzzle loaders and shotguns for whitetail hunting have now permitted shooters to use straight-walled cartridges for deer season. However, custom ammo manufacturers often make their own 50 Beowulf loads under the metric designation 12.7x42mm. In the chart below, we will compare muzzle velocity, kinetic energy, and bullet drop for each cartridge assuming a 100 yard zero. Would work nicely should I luck out and draw a moose permit. It's fun to shoot. I have used different lowers with the same result. This allows hand loaders the flexibility to create rounds that are customized to their rifle and their unique shooting needs. All three rounds have a rebated rim design, meaning their rim is narrower than their . The 50 Beowulf lists its maximum overall length as 2.25. lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. But there is a charm to a .45-70 in a big, honkin lever action (yeah, I know old school). Given the corpulent nature of the round, a full-sized magazine will hold 10 cartridges.What's the .50 Beowulf Good For?Given the big, fat bullets and higher side of moderate velocity, its a great overall short-to-medium-range cartridge for all sorts of stuff.On the hunting front, especially considering its bullet variety, itll handle pretty much anything north of the equator between Hawaii and Ireland. However, the 450 Bushmaster has a flatter trajectory as it fires lighter bullets at higher muzzle velocities. At a glance, it looks like every other EBR on the range, but after the first shot, a crowd begins to gather. The limiting reagent is the magwell. In terms of ballistic coefficient, the 458 SOCOM has the highest at 0.236, followed by the Bushmaster at 0.21, and the Beowulf at 0.15. (Emphasis on OH yeahhhhh). The pre-built rifles all sport 16.5-inch barrels and come in a variety of fixed and adjustable stock configurations. Fortunately, this problem is self-correcting. All our shooting was from 100 yards. Sectional density (SD) is a way to evaluate the penetration ability of a bullet based on its external dimensions, design, and weight. Just thought I would get the word out that Radical is building them and are much cheaper than the AA variety. In other words, it hits hard. Still have time to research until my load development for my 338 LM is complete. I have a .45-70 Marlin XLR and the .50 Beowulf. Definitly an easy add on caliber. Maybe this story should have been a Greek tragedy. Alexander Arms will sell you .50 Beowulf mags that they claim will not handle 5.56 ammo. Free recoil is dependent on bullet weight, rifle weight, muzzle velocity, and powder charge. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. 300 AAC Blackout 30-30 Winchester 30-06 Springfield 308 Winchester 50 Beowulf 5.45x39 7mm Remington Magnum 7mm-08 Remington 7.62x39 7.62x54R . Why not? Most of the excess weight will be forward, as this carbine starts out muzzle-heavy and only gets worse from there. In fact, outside of the first 100-yards, the differences are effective entirely negligible. Standard mags should work. Unlike Mike Schulte, Ive never had any issues with mine. BEST OF ALL: This message is generic and is incapable of knowing which one applies to your order. AND ONE of these is the reason you got this message. S**t. If yours is anything like mine, its already too long. Flawless. For the 458, the most common options available are AR-15 rifles from manufacturers like Tromix, Wilson Combat, and Bear Creek Arsenal (BCA). Although their case length is different, the 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM have the same maximum overall length of 2.26 as this is the longest cartridge length that can be used in an AR-15 receiver. Good points. You wont melt your MasterCard or have to raid the kiddies college funds. Shooting hundreds of rounds in a single range session from such a powerful rifle is not my idea of a great time, but it isnt torture. I got mine when they first came out. Both the uppers and rifles are priced reasonably. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. The whole process takes a few minutes and is extremely easy to do. I like both those rounds a lot. Perhaps the biggest difference between these three cartridges is their case design itself. Ive been toying with a .458 socom, but it looks like the .50 ammo is a bit cheaper. just checked, depending on the bullet the .50 beowulf muzzle energy tops out at just above 3,000 ft lbs, so I should good. The 450 Bushmaster is also unique in the fact that there are single shot and bolt-action rifles available for hunters that are required to use these firearms whereas the 458 and 50 are relegated to the AR-15 platform only. Yes, precisely. Finally, theres no dust cover on the receiver port door, which I hardly missed. And for those shooters who just want MORE, this trifecta of Thumper rounds can provide all the kinetic energy and recoil your heart could desire the 450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf. The .50 Beowulf was not intended to be a precision target round any more than was the .45 Govt. I want to take classes taught be the stupid part of his brain. I should have referenced the Stoner AR platform and not the AR-15 specifically. Littered with spent .22 casings. I see some B.S. 12 pistol upper w/ pepper pot brake $921.99 from Midwayusa. I replied it had been sent two days earlier and quickly got a second email saying it had been received but misplaced. While at modest ranged the big 50 Beowulf dominates the energy category, the 30-30 is also bested by the 6.5 Grendel but not that not by much. I ordered some on the 21st and recived them on the 25th. There are many different kinds of pistols out there, and whats right for one person might not be right for you. 6.5 Grendel vs. 300 Blackout: Ballistics, Applications, Ammo, & More by Mike Hardesty Posted in: Caliber Comparisons 11 comments Read More August 26, 2022 5273 view (s) .300 Winchester Magnum vs. 6.5 Creedmoor: Which One is King? Yep. Needless to say I got tired of fucking around with it and put in the back of my gun cabinet . Hi all I ordered a AA .50 Beowulf upper, and reloading dies and 150 Hornady 300gr FTX (flex tip, expanding) to start with . Dont insult the cartridge, please. I have the basic Entry model and its listed @ only 4.5pounds w/o optic. Being ,self indulgent, I have both. Watch the difference between Daves first shot, with a big push, and his second and third with slightly less push. The same ammo from Midway will be even cheaper when its in stock. With a suppressor. estimation of destruction; yes, when youre running this round youre truly on the Eve of Destruction. They also make other conversion kits for .40 S&W, .45, .300 Blackout, 6.5, 6.8, as well as some others. However, even without a long period of familiarity and appropriate magnification, Im reasonably certain that the Beowulf carbine would manage 2 MOA all day long. Even though you reload, 50 Beowulf bullets and brass are nowhere near as cheap or available as converted .223 and .30 caliber bullets. I took a buffalo with it, and have reduced numerous metal plate targets and bowling pins to scrap. And wait. The 400-grain load travels at 1,875 fps and delivers 3,123 foot-pounds at the muzzle.When I said lob earlier, I meant it. All of them are flattop receivers, but you can certainly stick that classic AR carry handle on if want to be a purist tactical poet..50 Beowulf: Poetry in MotionThink of the .50 Beowulf as a monster pistol cartridge that delivers the approximate performance of the old .45-70 workhorse. 300 Blackout Suppressed and 50 Beowulf Schmucks With Guns 16 subscribers Subscribe 1.9K views 5 years ago A Day at the range testing a 300 Blackout with a new GSL suppressor. The 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf are both straight-walled cartridges while the 458 SOCOM has a slight shoulder. and on behalf of the Federal Government, please accept my sincere apologies for running up a national debt which neither you, nor your children, nor their children will ever be able to repay. Mostly later. Check out the two holes at 9 oclock on this target. Ed, those are Hornady 300gr FTX (flex tip, expanding), Tried some in my reloads and their terminal performance was lacking compared to the 335 Rainier HP. For hunting deer sized game I'd rather use a 223 with a good bullet. In this caliber comparison article, we are going to take a detailed look at both the 300 AAC Blackout and the 308 Winchester. Only if I can get it in a pistol version. 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf: Big Bore AR Cartridges, Muzzle Velocity, Kinetic Energy, and Trajectory, Ballistic Coefficient and Sectional Density, Final Shots: 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf, 300 Win Mag vs 338 Win Mag vs 338 Lapua Mag, 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf. But still impressive. Enter the big bore, semi-auto rifle, that doesnt need a ton of range. Many shooters and hunters, particularly those who prefer Modern Sporting Rifles, would probably agree that the .300 Blackout and 7.6239 are both effective cartridges that offer certain advantages over the .223 Remington. I placed the order on a Friday and on Saturday my next door neighbor, who owns a big gun shop in Punxsutawney, PA, faxed the paperwork. Most .50 Beowulf ammo you'll come across falls in the 300-400 grain range, and even at the very low end you're still looking at a muzzle velocity of nearly 1900 fps, which translates into 2,300 foot-pounds of energy. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, PolyCase Ammunition and Alexander Arms Team Up on .50 Beowulf ARX, 3 Powerful AR-15 Cartridges for Survival Use. at those same distances. The 300 BLK is no slouch when it comes to bullet diameter at 0.308", but the 458 is simply bigger. The .50 Beowulf is the biggest, nastiest cartridge that actually cycles out of the AR-15 platform. Hey Ralph, I really love your review! Mate the upper to your favorite lower, which will tip the scales at anywhere from 2.2 to 3.0 pounds, add the obligatory doodads and a full magazine, and the whole megillah has a bit of heft. I will try to post a report after I have assembled it and taken it for a spin. Semi-automatic pistols for self-defense continue to be extremely popular, but there is a surprising amount of new double-stack 1911s and revolvers released this year. In terms of muzzle energy, the 450 Bushmaster continues to outperform at 2,687 ft-lbs, followed by the 50 Beowulf at 2,448 ft-lbs, with the 458 SOCOM bringing up the rear at 2,405 ft-lbs. I think it's a great all around cartridge. This a great article but its th3 quality of the comments that boosts its awesomeness by a factor of 10. First and foremost, it is based on your standard AR-15 platform. However, the .50 Beowulf is a straight case, the .458 SOCOM uses a slightly bottlenecked case design. This may not be completely accurate in terms of real-world experience, as 50 Beowulf rifles are generally a little heavier than 450 Bushmaster rifles. Speaking of box magazines, the company offers an optimized version but the round will work with standard GI magazines. Youll need a drum mag to carry more than 10 rounds (40 round pmag not included). The biggest difference between the cartridges is the size and weight of the bullets they fire: the .223 Remington uses .224 bullets while the .300 Blackout and .308 Winchester use .308 bullets. Hogzilla? TNVC/NGI Giveaway: 15 winners with over $7000 worth of prizes!! When it comes to big game hunting, all three cartridges are excellent options within their effective range. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Using the proper bullet thats designed to remain in one piece, theres plenty of momentum to get that job done too. This is a beautiful piece of crap. I cant lie an AR with a .50 Beowulf complete upper, huge muzzle brake, optics, quad-rails, bipod, grenade launcher and other bells and whistles is more clumsy than a traditional AR carbine. Too much? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The .50 Beowulf load features a 200-grain ARX bullet that leaves the muzzle at 2,500 feet per second, yielding 2,776 foot-pounds of kinetic energy.Precision One loads a round using Hornadys 350-grain XTP Magnum hollow point projectile. He changed the bolt dimension/head space to leave a little more metal in the lug area which means they wont head space properly when mixed (AA bolt, other bbl or AA bbl and other 7.6239 bolt). Sadly, well never know. The icing on the cake is Alexander Arms contention that its complete Beowulf Overmatch upper assembly will mate perfectly and shoot properly on all the milspec 5.56 lowers that you might have laying around in your garage or closet, and that you wont need to modify a damn thing, including the seemingly wimpy 5.56 recoil buffer. $995 + $200 tax stamp + 12+ months wait on paperwork, I propose a moratorium on new rifle development. All of my online sources are sold out! Thought a Beretta shotgun was out of your budget? The 50 AE is most well-known for being the primary chambering of the Desert Eagle handgun. claims and some stuff that gets regurgitated constaintly thats just not true . I do have one gripe on the Beowulfs appropriate game list. My entry upper will put every round into a cloverleaf (granted its a BIG cloverleaf) at 100 off the bench all day long. If hunting is the point, there are at least three saboted .50 caliber 375-385 grain bullets (Rems Accutip, for example, or Winchester Partition Gold) that provide similar velocities and greater energy. Im thinking that the original Beowulf would have much rather entered that dragons lair with an Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf. I have bad knees and do not like having to track wounded deer. Practical Applications 300 Blackout was designed as a combat cartridge, but it also has found a role in home defense and hunting. .22 LR to .50 Beowulf, the ubiquitous 5.56 NATO still reigns supreme. In contrast, the 450 Bushmaster was developed using the 284 Winchester as a parent case and has the longest case length at 1.70. Just yesterday I purchased a 10.5 pistol upper from Radical Firearms 50 Beo from Primaryarms.com on sale for $419.95 (I got them to price match what Radical FA was selling them at). Im having a hard enough time deciding on my first new rifle without all these new calibers and models popping up left and right. Concerning the weight of the wulf upper. I like the big crisp round holes it punches in paper. They have several other varieties too, as well as other sought after calibers, generally all for the same price. 308 vs 50 Beowulf - penetration test. I use a Leupold VX-R 1.25-4X20 HOG scope with FireDot illuminated reticle and it turns a .50 Beowulf into just the most amazing carbine/rifle (mines a 16 barrel) you could ever imagine for wild hogs, elk, moose, bison, brown bear, Sasquatchs, Yetis, Wooly Mammoth, great white sharks, rogue elephants, hippos, rhinosauruses and flying tryranasauruses. We didnt fling a ton of lead downrange, so I cant represent our testing as a full 500 round shoulder crushing shoot em up. The .243, 7mm-08, etc. Ammo selection is great in both super- and sub-sonic while being easy to find in basically every LGS. It is always unburnt powder in the chamber that is the problem. Ssshhhhhh. You wont have to guess which is the .50 Beowulf and which is the 5.56 NATO. The same message included: Will it take out a Grendel? the blackout will be more versitale especially if you reload . Monday I got an email saying I had to send paperwork from a dealer. The bottom line is that a muzzle brake will be your friend even if it does frustrate your range neighbors. The 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf are excellent deer hunting options in states that require the use of straight-walled cartridges. . Would be doing an AR setup instead of a bolt action. Along the same lines, an AR-15 chambered for .454 Casull would also be interesting. Double check. For the 50, Alexander Arms is the primary supplier of all rifles, parts, and upper receivers for the 50 Beowulf, though BCA is another option at a lower price point. Slim Fit Leather Jackets is an online store that sells jackets for men and women with free shipping all over the world! I cant leave my 12ga or big bore lever loaded in the truck when driving around. AA will sell you twenty 350g Hornady XTPs for only $29.23. I have never been able to shoot more than 4 rounds in a row with out the gun jamming. In contrast, the 50 Beowulf has a 0.447 diameter rim which is the same as another round made by Alexander Arms, the 6.5 Grendel. Those cases are on the chubby side and need a bit more elbow room to escape.Most of the current upper-receiver models include 16.5-inch barrels. That upper costs $1,012 plus the cost of upgrades. Must the base of brass casings be small (on the order of .30 caliber) in order to be compatible with the AR-15 platform? The game wont notice the difference between a 14in. 350 Legend is a growing cartridge with a growing fanbase. Its a great gun and the accuracy was excellent. An entry-level Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf upper will set you back $759. If a related requirement calls for going into vehicle interiors without using the handles meaning right through the doors or body, the same benefits apply. Beowulf ammo comes in bullet weights ranging between 200 and 600 grains, though 335, 350, and 400 grain bullets are the most common. or 16in. Well, due to of the short supply of elk at the rifle range and the prevalence of small block engines in the parking lot, we couldnt put the .50 to the ultimate of tests by killing big game and Chevys. Its for when the fence breaks down in Jurrassic Park T rex? Its not really a measurement of error, so much as an estimation of destruction. This and throw the BO at the bear to distract him while you dump him. At that point, you are blurring the line between rifle and portable cannon. The 5.56 looks as sleek and racy as a cheetah while the .50 Beowulf resembles acaballito. In Michigan the only way I can have a loaded gun in my truck is if its a pistol with my cpl. Bill Alexander (the same guy who developed the .50 Beowulf) also designed the 6.5 Grendel to fit this same need in 2002. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Add a butt pad to soften the recoil and it doesnt come close to zipping shut, really wish it had been designed three inches longer so it would zip closed. The big lummox of a .50 caliber cartridge is merely another step in the evolution of the exceptionally flexible Eugene Stoner design. Whats not as obvious is that the Alexander Arms upper receivers include a bolt carrier and bolt compatible with that 7.62x39 mm rebated cartridge rim. Now when Im bear hunting with hounds Im not loading and unloading my gun 20 times a day. The 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf are excellent deer hunting options for Midwest states that require the use of straight-walled cartridges. Buy a top-of-the-line AA complete upper receiver and you wont get any change back from your $1012 Visa statement. Although the 50 fires the largest caliber bullet of the three, its inefficient bullet design hemorrhages velocity and kinetic energy down range and has gone completely subsonic at 200 yards. Therefore, short and thick bullets have to be used instead of more aerodynamic designs. Among others, this list includes cartridges like the .300 Blackout, the 6.8 Remington SPC (also known as the 6.8 SPC), the .450 Bushmaster, the .458 SOCOM and the .50 Beowulf. Everyone overlooked the fact that you can have a 50 Beowulf PISTOL! Selecting the right thumper round for your needs primarily revolves around your local hunting regulations, the type of game you want to hunt, and the ranges you expect to shoot at. A week later I got a reply to the first question with no acknowledgement that I had actually placed an order a week earlier. woman shooting it offhand. Great review, Ralph. The .45-70 is too long to fit into the mag well of an AR-15. Great gun I cant say enough good things about it although I havent had a chance to test all the kits I have yet.