Per @Airatome's comment on Mr Crawford's tweet: I can't find a way to bring up the ENTIRE conversation, but it was noted this applies to Polymorph target's as well. My bad on this one, I set the wizard testing polymorph to the wrong skill level. As long as the excess damage doesnt reduce your normal form to 0 hit points, you arent knocked unconscious. @JeremyECrawford What happens if a wild shaped druid is reduced to 0 by disintegrate? Its certainly more exciting but also more dangerous. This means that you would not gain the Spellcasting trait since the "Introduction" to the Monster Manual clarifies (emphasis mine): A monster with the Spellcasting class feature has a spellcaster level and spell slots, which it uses to cast its spells of 1st level and higher (as explained in the Players Handbook). I see your general point on spell text. Got to agree, thanks for that. Your equipment doesn't change shape or size to match the new form, and any equipment that the new form can't wear must either fall to the ground or merge into your new form. Wizard. You also retain all of your skill and saving throw proficiencies, in addition to gaining those of the creature. 2023 Wizards. You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them, provided that your new form is physically capable of doing so. You lose access to your former class features while True Polymorphed. Portions of the materials used are property of Wizards of the Coast. Is there any known 80-bit collision attack? When you transform, you choose whether your equipment falls to the ground, merges into the new form, or is worn by it. It seems odd that wild shape is replaced by shapechange as a druid ability, when shapechange is a powered up version of polymorph for druids and wizards according to D20. As long as the excess damage doesnt reduce your normal form to 0 hit points, you arent knocked unconscious. With Disintegrate's spell effect, there isn't a creature there any longer to reform into an original form. User without create permission can create a custom object from Managed package using Custom Rest API, Extracting arguments from a list of function calls. You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them, provided that your new form is physically capable of doing so. You cannot use lair or legendary "actions", but it says nothing about legendary "saves" and most of the upper tier dragons have 3 of those. What if you cast Polymorph at 6th (I don't know rules for ties in spell level) or higher? This grants you the stat block of said Adult Gold Dragon, including its Change Shape ability, allowing it to assume the form of "a humanoid or beast with a Challenge Rating no higher than its own". The other answers seem to assume that as a rule and are forgetting that death in animal form is stated to also revert you, not just dropping to 0 HP. Change Shape: The dragon magically polymorphs into a humanoid or beast. by Hrosskell Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:08 am, Post Not a gimme, but absolutely passable. This land shall come to the God who knows the answer to War. The other big difference is that polymorph is one and done while shapechange allows you to continuously change what you've shapechanged into. The transformation lasts for the duration, or until the target drops to 0 hit points or dies. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. When every problem is a nail, its nice to have a good hammer. Just because your character knows the hand wiggles and latin necessary for casting Wish does not mean that your assumed form has the wellspring of power within to be able to make it happen, any more than if you taught the components to a random farmer. Just because a form you take is capable of casting spells does not mean you can inherently cast any spells that arent part of that stat block. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. I am making the case for Disintegrate, as a 6th level spell and it's stated effect of also destroying all of the equipment that isn't magical, being given precedence. Is the caster concentration for an hour to make the TP permanent? If it is misused, it should be addressed. 2018 errata fixed the RAW to specify this intended behaviour-. The differences are entirely for the roleplay description of the monster as it disintegrates, and the size of the ash-pile. Most GMs have a monster die the instant it drops to 0 hit points, rather than having it fall unconscious and make death saving throws. Monsters and Death The new form can be of any creature with a challenge rating equal to your level or lower. Manage Settings What about if you change it in ways that dont damage the product though? Has the cause of a rocket failure ever been mis-identified, such that another launch failed due to the same problem? Worth noting is that shapechange -does- last longer than polymorph currently(EDIT: It doesn't. There are several things that posters in this thread don't seem to realize about True Polymorph: that would likely become a DM discretion thing. Your culture? by Nylo Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:47 pm, Post As long and have only 1 hit point left, you revert and take 9 damage. Was Aristarchus the first to propose heliocentrism? Its statistics, other than its size, are the same in each form. Can you get infinite spells through True Polymorph and Change Shape? Thats just basically a movie screen that a Scrying is playing on. Shapechange lets you keep changing into something else for a fresh set of legendary resistances and 1 or 3/day innate casting spells. Choose one creature or nonmagical object that you can see within range. It seems to me that the concentration requirement would make it almost useless. The description of the polymorph spell states that "A shapechanger automatically succeeds on this saving throw". Boy. The druid turns to dust, since the spell disintegrates you the instant you With the target creature's stats in it. Have fun erasing the existence of every monster in the MM. Wild Shape lasts longer and you always have the option to switch out to something else, unlike polymorph. What happens to the target of a "permanent" True Polymorph spell when its caster dies? It retains its alignment and personality. This means that when your wizard polymorphs themselves into a tyrannosaurus, their Intelligence drops from 20 to 2. Like would a player with 17 levels of Druid and 3 levels Barbarian be able to become a CR of 17 or 20? Keep in mind that the state of the meta periodically changes as new source materials are released, and the article will be updated accordingly as time allows. You're also more than welcome to link to my handbook if you want extra information available in the shapechange spell description in yours. Sort of sucks. If you revert as a result of True Polymorph didn't exist before 5th edition and is an odd combination of Polymorph Any Object and Shapechange that has the notable distinction of being permanent if you can concentrate on it for the full hour. Fully open to DM interpretation and therefore argument. Would it be possible to only half transform into a monster? Now, in terms of power, neither True Polymorph nor 5e's version of Shapechange hold a candle to Wish. Browse other questions tagged, Start here for a quick overview of the site, Detailed answers to any questions you might have, Discuss the workings and policies of this site. drop to 0 hit points. (Taken from the Disintegrate spell) This inherits all of the issues with any kind of creature from the first section but Im not going to list them again. check out the. Just transmute a sufficiently large rock into a brontosaurus, then transmute that into, if Ive done my math right, roughly 100,000 pounds of diamond. If the spell becomes permanent, you no longer control the creature. It can cripple enemies, turn the caster or an ally into a ferocious beast, or provide you with utility options which are difficult to replicate without relying on numerous other spells at once. Choose one creature or non-magical object that you can see within range. We'll look into beefing up shapechange vs. polymorph at that time. For future readers' reference: the answer to this question changed due to the 2018 PHB errata, so the existing answers here may have been rendered inaccurate by the change. Your DM will probably be interested to hear what the dev had to say on this. RPGBOT contributing author and podcast co-host Random Powell is back with another exciting article, this time hey wait a minute, I can just write these myself. When you revert to your normal form, you return to the number of hit You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them, provided that your new form is physically capable of doing so. You cant use any legendary actions or lair actions of the new form. At the level that this spell would come available, the damage exchanged in combat and the number of hits the new form would take would end the spell in a round or less. Never noticed that, always looked at the spell and not the trait. If you want to support your answer as written, suggest you refer to the sage advice compendium, page 14, since JCrawford covered both cases in that SA final draft. Unfortunately, the highest CR beast is currently the Tyrannosaurus Rex at CR 8. You go to the 0 HP rule if you are a PC. This passage at the very end of it's description is what sets it apart. @nick012000 You say "I cast fireball" when you begin to cast fireball, not upon completing casting a fireball. Maybe I can get the dev to reply to that, or not. Shapechange targets self, where true polymorph can target others. Would being ordered to fight be better or worse? If you concentrate on this spell for the full duration, the spell lasts until it is dispelled. However, CR 0 provides the best disable forms and many of the best scout forms. Next paragraph: The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new form, and it cant speak, cast spells, or take any other action that requires hands or speech, unless its new form is capable of such actions.. Its bad when the DM has to twist and convolute the plot and world to prevent a player from breaking the game. Especially in regards to Polymorph and Shapechange and Secret Doors. Are DMs table ruling around the constitution saves required after taking a hit with an active concentration spells? What happens if I choose, for example, a golem with text in its stat block A golem cant think or act for itself? I dont have a good answer. Does that include NPCs with levels? If we are going to follow SRD for almost everything as a standard, then we should adapt it for shape change. You know, animal stuff. When exactly does a concentration spell end from casting another one? January 6, 2022 Zoltar. You lose too much. Wild Shape also comes into the game much earlier than those spells. All of the issue for those three spells leave the Wild Shape Druid class skill/ability open to "what level is that cast at?" To my understanding, this -is- the primary mode of combat, travel, etc. The GM has the creatures statistics and resolves all of its actions and movement. It retains its alignment and personality. D'oh! The targets game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the new form. Shapechange no longer becomes "change shape each round" but rather "keep your mind and change into a new shape". The tension between the specific rules, over the general 0 HP rule, exists because Polymorph spells also overwrite unconscious because you don't fall unconscious when you revert to old form if the damage taken doesn't also exceed your normal HP. Next paragraph: The target assumes the hit points of its new form, and when it reverts to its normal form, the creature returns to the number of hit points it had before it transformed. Or at least thats what youd think, if you hadnt read this Sage Advice. If so, to what effect? The whole spell is so vaguely worded that basically any casting of it starts with an argument with your DM, so Im going to try and provide some clarity here. You turn back into a lvl 17+ Wizard. Speaking of, what happens if I turn someone into something with a naturally very short lifespan like a housefly? It only takes a minute to sign up. While True Polymorph allows any creature, Polymorph only allows beasts, so this section will analyze available beast forms. The spell lasts for the duration, or until the target drops to 0 hit points or dies. So a brass dragon cannot change shape into a lich. @DavidCoffron Cool, that clears that up! dropping to 0 hit points, any excess damage carries over to your -. Unlike every other polymorph-type spell or ability, you maintain access to all your class features (including spellcasting). To subscribe to this RSS feed, copy and paste this URL into your RSS reader. Fortunately, Crawford specified that you cant. You can only speak if the creature can normally speak. Shapechange IMO is more useful in a combat scenario.